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Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby ObnoxiousBlue » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:45 am

So, I really haven't posted here about my 64 Beetle. Since selling my bus, I stalled out a bit and kinda lost interest in the whole VW and show scene. It just didn't seem likely I would get back into a VW in the forseable future.
Last April I managed to buy Herbie from Brad and Andrea. We had teased quite a bit in the decade before that one day I would buy the car from them. The time was right, and I was excited to bring the car home. I think I was most excited that I have known this car since I was 17, and after Reise, Peabody and the transients that came over the years, getting this car really meant alot.

Me and Herbie back a few years ago...

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I had a blast driving around in an older bug, I've never had a car this old and totally understand why people gravitate to the earlier cars. I took it all over, we went to Green Wood, random late night trips for food, went camping, took it to Governors Island for the Traffic Jam - it just never got old. This was the perfect car for me. It was't perfect, it was just worn enough for me to not be afraid to drive it, and it was solid and perfect enough that I didn't want to go out and re-do everything. I loved it.

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One August morning, I was rear ended by a distracted driver in a Jeep Wrangler. Her rear bumper came right into my rear decklid. Her front passenger wheel bent up my bumper, and broke my tail light. The deckilid bent in, and came to rest upon the generator which spun out.

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Hagerty towed the car home and that afternoon I started taking it apart to see how bad the damage was. The rear bumper came off and from there I was able to get the decklid open. The engine would crank - but not fire up. I noticed the generator was sticking and then removed the belt. Once the belt was off the engine started right up and sounded healthy - which was telling me the generator was frozen either because it or the fan had shifted. I shut the engine down almost immediately once I knew the engine itself was ok

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I waited a few days to explore my options, and decided sending it to a shop was the best bet. I did some research and ultimately used a new-to-me shop that has a big classic car following up here. The adjuster came down and looked over the car, thankfully - a Hagerty guy - he knew what the car needed to be right. Realistically, they could have put the car back on the road for about $600. But he wrote the repair for a complete tear down and full paint. He was actually funny (and fun) to work with. When we walked around the car he said "Well, if we paint the lid, we have to paint the fenders, and then we have to paint the quarter panels, and there is no seam in the roof - so we'll paint that too... But then it won't match the doors, or the fenders, or the hood - so, we'll have to paint the whole car!" I didn't argue...
The shop was great. They gave me a corner of the shop to work in and I went in for three days to strip the whole car down - windows, doors, engine, and all.

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They made some non-related repairs to the body but over all it was a really solid car. Only one spot of some rust which was from a previous fender bender. Four fender bolts snapped and so did a few with the running boards. They also tapped those out.
The whole car came down to metal.

I found a new decklid - actually a 63 because I like the Popes nose and for a half-second was considering going back to the Herbie look. I ultimately decided not to go back to the Herbie look - but the decklid is an easy swap if I want to put a 64 lid back on.

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I got a new front fender from Raj because my old one was rusted. Turned out, they both needed work. So Raj's fended became a donor for some graft work on my existing fender.

They did a few blow outs of color, and I tested their samples against some guarded original paint under the hood to see how the match was. Once I liked the color, the car went into epoxy before being blocked ant painted.

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Then, we were ready for paint.

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I checked the color match to the fender beading too...

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The insurance company didn't cover the wet sand and polish, so that was the first time I had to lay anything out.
It was definitely worth it though. The finish was way nicer after the polish.

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The shop let me get the body reassembled using their lift. This was way better than me trying to fit the doors and fenders alone at home in my garage and gave me a good jump start on getting the rest of the car reassembled.

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All done at the shop!
Final payout from Hagerty? $14,993.00
Out of pocket? About $900.

Once on all 4's, my friend Kris helped me tow it home. That's Glenn's bar under the nose - he has it back.
Since then, I bought Dave's old bar. It's a good thing to have.

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Any bright work that I couldn't buy real nice new replacement parts for, I had refinished.
This really meant alot of the chrome work which wasn't a big deal.
As we all know, new chrome sucks... Real chrome looks way better. :-)

Hubcaps:
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Tail light trim rings:
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Frunk Handle:
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Decklid collar and handle:
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Vent window catches:
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Then came the interior. With the windows out, the headliner started to crumble. Sound deadening went in, along with the new headliner. We put DynaMat on the floor and tunnel, and also on the parcel tray in the back. Then new carpet from Wolfsburg West, and new panels. Installed the trim in the windows and roped those in. Windows are easy, why does everyone get so fussy?

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And put the stock rubber mats on the floor. I was torn about the carpet color - when I bought the car it had Oatmeal. But the body number says it should be black (really charcoal) carpet. So I went with that.

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I had the front and back seats recovered

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The engine tins were all brought to Action so they could powdercoat everything, and that will go back together soon.

I just installed the front vent window last night.
It wasn't hard to do, just took patience. There is one spot I am not 100% thrilled with, but I don't think I could have done it any better for my first go around. Once the whole car is together it may become one of my "redo that one day" projects. It's definitely not a project that can be done alone easily. I needed three hands often to slide the seals in place. So my buddy Sean came by to help.

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When I bought the car from Brad, it came with two 64 plates. I gave him back the plate he had registered to the car, but kept the JHR-32 because I thought it looked cool. I was able to register it to the car since 64 was a one plate only year. In the accident, it got bent up. I looked for a few places to fix it, and they varied wildly in pricing. I wound up using a guy who claimed to do it all for $95. I sent it to him and it came back looking real good. I'd say he did a 95% job on it, there are a few brush strokes in the letters that my discerning OCD eye picked up but for the price difference the other guys wanted - I'm really happy and I like that it was done by a little old man who just does this stuff as a hobby, not by some shop. He's kinda the Glenn Ring of license plates. ;-)

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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Glenn » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:58 am

When did you get a 64 Beetle?
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Raj » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:28 pm

Great job on the vent windows.... tough work for sure.
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Glenn » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:42 pm

Engine is partially dressed.
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby BradleyVW » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:19 am

Wow, you brought a tear to my eye this morning. Great job Mike! Can’t wait to see it!
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Firefly » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:46 pm

We know Herbie loves the love you have given him. Can't wait to see him "ride again".
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby MrBreeze » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:51 am

Not Herbie anymore. Does it have a name, Mike?
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Tom » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:11 am

Is it bad luck to change the name of a car ? (it is with boats !)
I'm not an air cooled snob , I like them all !

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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby EDNCAROL » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:17 am

Everything else has been changed.Why not the name?
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Glenn » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:22 am

It's like a boat so it's bad luck to change the name.

Just don't put a poll on Facebook to name it. You never know what the mod picks.

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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby ObnoxiousBlue » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:17 pm

Got to talk to the original owner of my car on the phone yesterday. He's 92, and blind now. But remembered the car. Was a fun conversation. Emailed his family some photos of it now, he says he remembered having photos of the family and the car. They said they'll look for them and send anything back they find.
Would be cool to find a plate frame...
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby elrockk » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:02 pm

thats cool
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Tom » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:09 pm

Just not the same without Lindsey .
I'm not an air cooled snob , I like them all !

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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby BusBq Bill » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:04 pm

Cool
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby ObnoxiousBlue » Mon May 31, 2021 8:47 pm

So, I forgot this thread was even here.
The car is finished though - at least as it will be. I don’t suppose they’re ever really done.
Since the last photos where I had just put in the vent windows; Installed a bit. But this spring saw some rejuvenation and I took the car over to AutoMat in late March. All I wanted them to do was install the window regulators, windows, and the door panels. The regulators were eluding me, and after sitting there for a month I finally just took the car back.
Raj gave it a once around for me and I picked it up about a month ago now.
Had some intermittent missing with it, turned out that TDC wasn’t TDC. So when the cylinder was at TDC the distributor was actually pointing quite a ways off. That was a repair out of my wheelhouse so I gave the car to Hans over at AutoStrasse in Huntington. Real pleasure to deal with, nice older German guy who was right at home.
My radio was restored by Richard Langenwalter from TS. He added in FM and Aux in as well as replaced all the capacitors and repaired the auto tube and disk/regulating clutches. It’s all installed and sounds awesome paired up to a new speaker. It’s awesome to have BlueTooth from a factory radio!
I cleaned up the frunk and hit some of the rough spots with some compound and polish just to make everything look nicey nice then tossed in the new trunk liner and wire cover.
Gonna chance down some wonky grounds to brighten up my lights and horn but happy to be back on the road.
Will post some pics up soon.
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby ObnoxiousBlue » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:44 pm

y friends! Had an awesome weekend with the bug. Took it on a great ride from home (Long Island, NY) to Brattleboro, Vermont. Was a little over 325 miles not including the time spent on the ferry boat off of the island.

Two things of note on the trip.

1) We had one day of travel in moderate to heavy rain. I noticed some small amounts of water coming inside seemed like from the cowl. That draws my attention to the windshield seal, the washer nozzle, and the wiper shafts.
How tight should the nuts be on the wiper shafts, I assume too loose and the rubber grommets may not create a seal, but too tight probably would cause the same issue. The washer nozzle isn’t hooked up I have the tank and everything but never anticipated running it and didn’t want the hose running through the switch. Could water conceivably work inside from the nozzle and drip into the space?

2) I changed my oil a few weeks before the trip and noticed in it 2 sizes me chunks which appeared to be gear teeth. I believe the only gear that this might be would be the distributor drive gear which also might be indicative of my previous timing issues. However, on the trip at two different times I did encounter a peculiar sound in the engine. It was engine-speed-dependent. It was not noticeable at idle but was during acceleration specifically. There came a point where engine sound became too loud to hear it however. It actually made me pause to check the pulleys because it almost sounded like the generator pulley had spun loose. Like something was spinning. I even thought that it may have been bearings but was reminded by a friend these parts were magnetic and bearings are aluminum I think.

I’m going to change the oil again and see what it looks like. Any ideas on something else that I should check?

At no time did the car ever sound unhealthy. It always drove great, and accelerated strong, ran smooth and gave no indication it was hurting. I’m a bit confused.
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Glenn » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:56 pm

The distributor driveshaft is steel, the distributor gear on the crankshaft is brass. The cam gear is aluminum and the cam gear on the crankshaft is steel.
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby ObnoxiousBlue » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:12 pm

So then if it were being caught by the magnet on my oil drain plate and not getting past the strainer am I correct to assume it isn’t deeper in the engine?
Just trying to narrow down what I may be looking at here.
If it isn’t one of the two teeth on the distributor drive then it has to be the cam gear on the crankshaft?
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Glenn » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:18 pm

A picture would help.

Are you referring to the tangs on the bottom of the distributor?

Pull the distributor to see.
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby Raj » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:43 am

Glenn wrote:A picture would help.

Are you referring to the tangs on the bottom of the distributor?

Pull the distributor to see.



Agree.... Pics. Always.

Hope its nothing too material, but glad you were able to be smart enough to listen to the engine for changes in its behavior.
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Re: Mike's 64 Beetle

Postby ObnoxiousBlue » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:36 pm

I should have taken a photo. In the moment, it seemed benign given the car gave absolutely no signs of any issues.
Still, its running great - occasional "spinning" sound that I can only best describe as almost sounding like the a starter solenoid "whirring" - but not when starting.
When I got back on Sunday, it was nasty out. So I just put the car away in the garage. I am going to pull it out this week to rinse it off (it got FILTHY driving through the rain last week) and change the oil again. I will take photos of anything found within.
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